Long Lost Videos - Jambox Opening for the Queers

That Jambox opening up for the Queers (along with Tit Patrol and Jake and the Stiffs) @ Mojo 13 a couple years back.

"Blue", "Spazzapality", "Secret History of Rhythm and Blues", and "Please"


And here we are at St. Mary's in Philly 2006. Beware, this is not the Jambox line-up we record with... featuring Officer J.P. on the skins!

"Freedom or Security?" by Plow United and ""Kim Kelly is My Friend"

Super Crucial Information

Ha! I did some digging and found the rest of my 1990's flyers! Starting with the first Anomaly Show put on by Brian and Josh from the Shoplifters at the Brandywine Blvd. VFW. Still to this day the best show I've ever been to... and somehow Joel Tannenbaum thinks that is lame.

Old School Flyers

Here's some more flyers from the mythical land of the 1990's, included - the first Crash show I went to outside of school, Plow United Re-United, etc... not included - the flyer from the first Anomaly show... I lose more stuff in my apartment...

Hands On Throat

This is way overdue, but you should check out Oregon's own Hands On Throat!! Featuring the incomparable Sean Rule of Plow United and to a slightly lesser extant Power of IV fame on the drums! Seany is an Urkel-level bodhisattva whose penchant for good-will and kindness is matched only by his prowess on the skins. Hands On Throat is Sean's destiny, playing FOD meets JFA style metal-punk-metal and sorta freakin' rules. There stuff is catchy and hard, they seem to have a sense of humor, and the drums, of course, are spectacular! These videos are a bit older now, from April 2007... I only delayed my H.O.T. love out of a bit of jealousy... who wouldn't miss Sean? http://www.handsonthroat.com

Hallelujah Plow United!

I don't know how yet, but please to enjoy the soul-purifyin' sounds of Plow United, live from the 1990's at Rockin' Rex in Yonkers.

"Poison Berries" July 10, 1995


"W.P.G.", "Martin", and "Spindle" May 12, 1995

Wilmington/West Chester Discography

The Wilmington, Delaware and West Chester, Pennsylvania punk scene has always had a reputation for being underestimated and revelling in that underestimation. Punk rock, and music and art in general have always depended on a strong and independent middle class for their progress. It's that classic middle class recipe: you don't need to worry about starving, but damn if you like the world or yourself, so you write about it, or paint about it, or whatever. In the 1990's, America's middle class was super-strong, not making huge amounts of money, just experiencing a successful life where the cost of living was rational and fair. Hence, during this time, we experienced a boom of recording, playing out, selling records, and generally being good punk rock bands, really good. As the socio-economical tide turned, many of my cohorts (people in general, not my pallies) abandoned the middle class, sometimes dropping out entirely or, more common, striving for the upper-middle class and above that they believe should be theirs, if they make the right (economically motivated) decisions. Like junkies runnin' dry. The current middle class is in a squeeze, shrinking from both sides. Before the switch over, kids had a little expendable money and decided that DIY punk rock was the area in which to expend it. Of course, while many embrace post-modern economics and dismiss their high-school fantasies, or just stop caring, the esoteric cannot quit it, can't stop won't stop, and oddly enough it is those who remain entrenched in those middle class values and pay-rates, if smaller rates than they would have had in the same situation ten years ago, who carry the torch some say is already extinguished. Art for art's sake and forty hours a week, iron-man style. This is the backdrop for the voice of the area, or the voice underneath the area. A texturous voice, heard loudest cerca 1993-1998, but continuing in some form or another, some true to the original ideals, some musically divergent, but still in and of the fabric that wove Wilmington and West Chester together down Route 202, and sometimes Philly or Jersey.

The best shows today are really good, if never as voluminous (attendance-wise) or far-reaching as say, in 1996. Their are fewer people to be reached, underground music may appear slightly shallow to those born into the "War on Terror". But, for what the local scene has lost in breadth, it has gained in depth, comprised of true-believers, crass and talented, wary and optimistic, with very little to lose and very few poseurs. 9/11 can represent an actual Ground-Zero: in 2001 the most popular "underground" bands in the U.S. were Jimmy Eat World, Modest Mouse, Dashboard Confessional, Thursday, Hot Water Music, etc... and these bands were ushered in as the Next Big Thing after nationally Screeching Weasel, the Queers, Mr. T Experience, the Vindictives, etc... had ruled the non-airwaves. That is, these are the bands that regular people who didn't think they were regular (and were sometimes right) listened to. But the musical and ideological shift is painfully obvious, the two sets of representative bands having ZERO in common, the new-wave combination of accentuating musical complexity over songwriting, and a 180 degree turn in how seriously the artists took themselves. The same exact people were apparently able to relate to both very differing musical styles and all that it entailed. In truth, this newer music was entirely mainstream, using the indy formula that had worked with pop-punk a few years prior, and actually rips out the underground and replaces it again with "alternative". This forced cosmology did alot of damage to the national and local scenes. But in Wilmington, as in America, a new truer underground has risen out of the old, one unburdened by the popularity or drawbacks of attached ideas. People of vision who walk amongst us, at any given show, hiding in plain sight. It is the people who remain from the past scene and all youngin's who also dig it, and the Tao-Boys and Girls who never blinked, or only blinked a little, and (in some cases unconsciously) know what that so-called underground grew out of originally: a near-religious on focus roots fundamentals, accepting all within its temporal tail and rejecting that which makes the piece less, and if possible, doing so ego-blind. What you get then, is the Ramones.

West Chester produced the only band that I would ever say I liked more than the Ramones. Plow United was the apex of our scene, and the watermark by which I am still to some extent, measuring my artistic/punk rock accomplishments. Like many heroes, they were in the right place at the right time, and Plow had to be seen to be believed. They were three-piece plug and play, unpretentious and organic, and their songs were so poppy and wildly edgy at the same time, and all ours, a beautiful contradiction: unwilling to do anything that conflicted with their strict punk ethics and desiring so whole-heartedly to be a successful band. Well representative of a scene which housed some of the most eclectic, entertaining, fast, hard, GOOD punk bands of the 1990's that never went anywhere.

What follows is a damn thorough Wilmington/West Chester Discography. No way it's complete of course, and any/all input would be excellent. This first era will be defined roughly by the time surrounding when Coolidge Records released Plow's "Dance" 7" in 1993 until the final Plow Re-United shows in summer 1998. This is the most prolific and successful time for the scene in general. The second era is a Plow-less universe, where a beacon less scene struggles against the turning tide of taste in America and what that means for their bands. This includes releases from bands who appear earlier on the list, some of which produced their best, most classic material during this period, and many new bands who experienced the scene at its crest only shortly and interpret what that means and how to make musically differently. The third era is roughly from 2004 to today, the rebuilding period in which the participants get to be existential heroes, redefining success for zero marketplace and creating punk rock ex nihilo with much confusion and no debate (and those they play with!). This is a master list, and a lengthy one, I admit, so I'll break it down at my leisure, piece by piece, you know, later on...

Plow "Warped Sense of Humor"
Plow "Dance"
Plow/Tallman split
Plow United/Weston split
Plow United s/t
Plow United "Sadi"
Plow United "West Chester Rock City"
Plow United/Stressboy split
Plow United "Goodnight Sellout!"
Plow United/Throttle Jockey split
Plow United/Ick split
Plow United "Narcolepsy"
Plow United "Dustbin of History"

Buglite "This Day"
Buglite/Bouncing Souls split
Buglite "Marcia Brady Fanclub"
Buglite "Though About You"
Buglite "Sorry to Disappoint You"

Explosive Kate "Playground Trauma"

Explosive Kate "A Dysfunctional Christmas With EK"
Explosive Kate "It's Not Easy Being Stupid"
Explosive Kate/Joy Poppers split
Explosive Kate s/t
Explosive Kate "You Are Not a Winner"

Jake and the Stiffs "Steal This Record"
Jake and the Stiffs "Pot Belly Pete"
Jake and the Stiffs "Spike"
Jake and the Stiffs "I Like Girls"

Halflings "Memory Lapse"
Halflings/Diplomats split
Halflings "Frabba Jabba"
Halflings "A Kiss For Christmas"

The Boils "Hearts of the Oppressed"
The Boils/Sleepasaurus split
The Boils/Violent Society split
The Boils/The Goons split
The Boils "Anthems from the New Generation"
The Boils "When the Sun Goes Down"
The Boils "From the Bleachers"
The Boils/Thumbs Up! split
The Boils "The Ripping Waters"

The Crash "Groovin' Hard"
The Crash "Gary Put Your Glasses On"
The Crash/Ninja Attak split

2.5 Children Inc. "Non Machinable"
2.5 Children Inc. "Courage"
Texas Criffer and Plow United

Dutchland Diesel "No Rules"
Dutchland Diesel "All New Police"
Dutchland Diesel "Staging Grace"
Dutchland Diesel "Jump the Fence"

Fondle "Gym Teacher"
Third Year Freshmen "Senior Year"
Third Year Freshmen/Wally split
Tom Martin "Sound of a Wounded Walrus"
Throttle Jockey "At War With Fashion"
Throttle Jockey "Three On a Meat Hook"

Super Hi-Five "A Better Life"
Super Hi-Five/Sacface split
Super Hi-Five "Strength Control Anger"
Super Hi Five/Man Without Plan split
Super Hi-Five "There's No Food Like Dirt"
Super Hi-Five "09/21/99"
Super Hi-Five "Songs For Working"

The Ick "White Trash Trailer Park Girl"
The Ick "All Played Out"

Wally "Eric Clapton is Dead"
Wally "Kill Whitey"

The Orphans - "Anthems for a Doomed Youth"
The Orphans - "Raise the Youth"

Ninja Attak "My First Time"
Corporate Music Bastards "We Only Do It For the Money"
Shoplifters/Kill the Man Who Questions split
Science For Kids "Inches From Destiny"

Johnny X and the Conspiracy "Ruin"
43 "Christie"
Reject "Joe the Hunter"
Mao and the Chinese Revolution "America's Finest"
Brody "Against Forgetting"
Bernie Bernie Headflap "Cheese on Wheat"

Compilations:
"Who Gits Da Deer"
"Dad I Can't Breathe"
Creep Exploitational Sampler
"The Last Stake Has Been Driven"
Matthau Records Comp
"Songs for the Witching Season"
WVUD "Scare Your Roomate"
"Coolidge 50"
Suburban Voice Comp
"So Punk, Barley Visible to the Naked Eye"
"What Are You Lookin' At"
"Destroy the Creep House" vol. 1
"This is My Summer"

Man Without Plan "Commence Primary Ignition"
Man Without Plan "Shop Talk"
Man Without Plan "Get Right"
Man Without Plan "I Feel Badly"
Man Without Plan "The Return of No Point"

Power of IV "Walking Distance"
Power of IV "A Sleight Rebellion Off Madison"

New Dance Show "I Wish My Friends Would Bury You"
Allison Ranger - "Formula Imperative"
Midiron Blast Shaft "Igneous Assertions"
A Year to Forget "Apostasy"
Decade of Error
Rescue the Past
Signal Static
Endless Mike Jambox "Another Hot Freshy-Freshy"
The Bedrockers "Suck Knob on Zero"

Tit Patrol "Robot Pope"
Tit Patrol/Count von Count split

Tit Patrol "A Fackokta Christmas With Tit Patrol"
Tit Patrol "Shut Up Juice"

Count von Count "The Dark Side of the Dune"
Count von Count "Hey Asshole"

The Headies "It's a Super-Man's World"
The Headies/Sexon Horse split
The Headies "Sugar and Spice (and Everything's Fucked)"
The Headies/Terrifica Split

Brian McGee and the Hollow Speed s/t
Tommy Murray "A Broken Sound"

Saturday Night Kids "Total Knockout"
Saturday Night Kids "On Her Satanic Majesty's Request"
Skinny Dick Jones "Urban Hillbilly"

Toothless George "Live in NYC"
Toothless George "Lone Wolf"

Cranked Up!/Neon Maniacs split
Cranked Up! "A Call For Solidarity"
Cranked Up! "This is a Weapon"

Sexon Horses
Grave Mistake
Tragic Johnson
Melon

So if you know someone who should be on the list and isn't, support yer scene and let me know!

Punk Rock T-Shirts

Here are all the punk rock t-shirts I have from our precious Wilmington/West Chester scene... most of them are pretty old, but I have all the current ones we did too. I'm missin' some key tees (Halflings, Explosive Kate, more different Plows, Throttle Jockey super-horse, Super Hi-Five, Jake and the Stiffs?, the Orphans, etc...) I know the Huffer's got access to the second wave Halflings color t-shirts, and somebody's got my blue and green EK... Timmy!?!? Billy Frolic has the "I Spent the Night With Tom Martin" shirt. I know Frank Pater had a crazy CMB shirt that wasn't originally a CMB shirt. mc Ben has the Power of IV patch too! There are at least two Count von Count shirts... Anybody got anything good, snap me a shot, send it over, and I'll put it up with the rest! Maybe I should call Arik...

The second/third-ish Plow United t-shirt. I think the first ever just had the Plow "Warped Sense of Humor" logo in blue with Plow-Boy in the middle. I think this is a Joel Tannenbaum Design.



The Crash's one and only t-shirt. Before they added the "We Grease to Please"/"4 On the Floor" logo on the back.


Super old-school Bouncing Souls, way before they sucked, and in fact were freakin' awesome. They used to play with Plow and the Crash at Girls Inc. in Newark, and the Barn Door in Wilmington, then they claimed they were from New York (not Jersey) and never came back. I sewed the armpits back together with old boxer shorts.


The first ever Ninja Attak t-shirt, made at the Concord Mall by K. Farrell.


Great old Plow United patch. I know I have the red logo patch somewhere too, I sewed it on one of those old Slayer hats the Anomaly kids had seemingly thousands of.


Buglite t-shirt, purchased at CD's To Go in West Chester from a wary Joel Tannenbaum.






















Original if grody Crash patch. I heard an internet rumor that the Crash are gonna do a reunion show this winter... the Horning Bros. Construction built a beautiful fence on Woodlawn down the block from me.


The first big-run Ninja Attak vs. the Devil t-shirt, artwork by Main Man Timmy Toner, lettering by Mike Cruz.


Plow United "Last Show" t-shirts from the farewell gig at the Unitarian Church in Philly, August 1998. I'm gonna say design by Chris Neuman of 2.5 Children Inc.

Reprise of the Plow coat of arms... gothic "P", "Mom, I'm Ok" stitched apple, Pennsylvania counties and the rook on the chess-board field, plus the Keystone added with life-span.


My man Snoop, one of the best t-shirts ever, courtesy of Karl Dettbarn.




Plow United Re-United! From the one-year reunion shows. I got this on at Villanova, probably the most worn/seen Plow t-shirt. Artwork by Chris Neuman, Plow saves the day, just like in real life.


The first and so limited edition Endless Mike Jambox t-shirt by Alex Rosenfield. I adore this shirt... "Bloodsucking Rock, Newark, Delaware!" Lex washed out the screen to make art for some bird, prolly, so no more of these!


Second, much larger run Jambox t-shirt, again by Alex.





















The official Tit Patrol t-shirt, you know you want one... designed by Todd Purse after Arturo Vega.





















The current hot-stuff. Alex Rosenfield Couture, Gossip Girl inspired Headies t-shirt. Get 'em while they're hot, and in thirteen years you can start your classic rock tee blog with this one.

Plow United Interview - Bloody Wanker Zine

Another Plow United interview, this one from Bloody Wanker Zine, cerca '97... hey, c'mon! I've read worse interviews. You'll read it and you'll like it!

Bloody Wanker- Name, instrument you play, age, height and weight.

Sean- I'm Sean, I'm the drummer, 5'11", 175 pounds…is that everything?

Sara- And height.

Sean- 5'11", no I'm 23- that was the age.

Sara- Oh yeah, the age (my bad).

Brian- I'm Brian, I play guitar, I'm 21 and I'm 145 pounds and I think I'm 5'9".

Joel- I'm Joel, I play the bass, I think I'm around 155 pounds, I'm 6'5" and I'm 21.

Bloody Wanker- What's the Pennsylvania music scene like?

Plow- Pretty much like anywhere else.

Bloody Wanker- Aren't you guys from Westchester?

Joel- We don't live there anymore, but we're from Pennsylvania. We're not from any specific town because we all come from different places.

Bloody Wanker- What are your favorite Pennsylvania bands or bands in general?

Sean- Ick.

Brian- Shortfuse, Super Hi-Five, Dutchland Diesel, uh…

Joel- FOD.

Sara- The Crash? (I love them so.)

Brian- They're a Delaware band though.

Bloody Wanker- How did you guys get onto Creep?

Joel- You don't really get on Creep. You kind of just…

Sean- You stay at their house long enough…

Joel- You stay at their house long enough time that they just fucking throw you in the basement and tell you to record.

Bloody Wanker- How did Plow get together? Were you all friends before?

Brian- We all went to the same high school. And Sean, naturally is two years older than us, so…Well we all met in high school and we were in jazz band together.

Sean- And marching band…

Joel- We played in orchestra together.

Bloody Wanker- What's your favorite Saturday morning cartoon?

Brian- I don't really watch it anymore but when I was a loyal Saturday morning cartoon watcher, my favorite, I think, was the Spider Man, Fire Woman, Ice Man…whatever that one was called.

Noel- Spider Man and his Amazing Friends. (Noel's a big cartoon fan)

Brian- Exactly!

Sean- My favorite was the Smurfs from 1985 when I used to watch cartoons, channel 3.

Bloody Wanker- Why did you change your name from Plow to Plow United?

Joel- We were legally obligated (For those of you who don't already know- there's another band out there named Plow).

Sean- 'Cause we started a soccer league (he laughs alone). We had to, they were going to sue us.

Noel- Were you kind of upset about that?

Sean- At first…

Joel- It was kind of annoying…

Brian- But its grown on us.

Bloody Wanker- What's your favorite Plow United song?

Joel- My favorite's "Plow II".

Mumbles all around- Sounds like they say Big Mike and Dean (but those aren't any songs we know of).

Bloody Wanker- If you could marry anyone living, dead, fictional or non-fictional, who would it be?

(Pause)

Sean- Can we come back to that?

Brian- I don't really ever plan on getting married, but I can think of a person or two that I'd like to spend a lot of time with.

Sara- Who would that be?

Brian- I'd rather not name any names (laughs all around). It would be weird.

Bloody Wanker- What do you do when you're not playing with the band? Do you work?

Brian- I work at a Lawnscape supplies place called Sweeny Seed Company. I just do that from 8:00-5:00.

Noel- Is that a plug?

Brian- Yeah, this is a plug…Come get your fertilizer, we have 80 compacts (I think that's what he said) of rock salt, magnesium chloride, calcium chloride.

Joel- Magnesium chloride is great!

Brian- Magnesium and chloride will ruin your shoes. So come down, we'll ruin shoes together.

Sean- I teach math. And uh, that pretty much keeps me busy.

Sara- Do you have to dress all nice?

Sean- I wear a tie. I comb my hair.

Brian- He also bartends too.

Sara- Teach by day, bartend by night.

Sean- It keeps me busy.

Brian- He's a little flashdancer.

Joel- I work in a CD store.

Bloody Wanker- And, uh where's the coolest place you've toured.

Brian- El Paso, Texas.Group- Yeah, El Paso, Texas.

Sara- How come?

Brian- Because the people were awesome and they treated us well.

Sean- And they've all been to jail (I think that's what he said).

Brian- And they're just great people.

Noel- Did they know you when you got out there?

Brian- I think a dozen did, but they're just such freaks and just so fun to be around. They're such good people, they really are.

Joel- What's that other place? Biloxi, Mississippi. Pensacola. Lake Charles is good.

Sara- Have you guys made it to Europe yet? Not yet.

Brian- Nope, next summer. That means it's exactly one year after we were initially told we were going.

Sean- We're not angry or anything.

Joel- We'll all look a little different from our passports. 'Cause we all hurried up and got them.

Brian- So we each spent sixty or seventy bucks for our passports this past summer to go to Europe. So we're just waiting.

Bloody Wanker- What's your most embarrassing, strangest, or funniest tour or road story?

Brian- I'd say, we were driving through Louisiana and uh, Joel was playing the End of the World soundtrack…

Joel- Until the End of the World! (Until the End of the World was a good movie, go out and rent it. It's about this dream recording machine that these people get addicted to, it's about 3 hours long though, so don't plan on doing anything else for a while).

Brian- Until the End of the World soundtrack, and I was driving and everyone else was asleep.

Joel- And soon you were too!

Brian- It was at least 105 that day. And, I was kind of tired and the heat was making me even more tired. So I started falling asleep and everyone else was asleep and when I fall asleep I have a tendency to press on the gas more. So I was speeding up.

Sean- Notice how he said when he falls asleep behind the wheel because it happens quite frequently. (Everyone laughs)

Brian- Exactly. And uh, we almost rear ended a pick up truck full of like, just, a lot of stuff. And we all woke up at the same time, all five of us. And I swerved out of the way in time and everything, but it was just really scary and embarrassing. It was funny at the same time, ha ha.

Sara- Do you have a van, how do you get around?

(Weston's "Just Like Kurt" kicks in really loud in the background…)

Joel- Mumbles… something about four vans and a go cart.

Bloody Wanker- If you could commit any crime and get away with it, what would it be?

Sean- Speeding. Oh wait, no, vehicular assault, I've always thought about this. The people that cut you off on the highway, you should have the right to hit them. They shouldn't be driving like that in the first place. If they cut you off or something like that, you know how people pass you, they'll get behind you on the highway, and then they'll pass you, but you want to get over too…

Sara- And then you're blocked.

Sean- Right, right. That's when you go and hit people, just hit em' and knock em' right off the side of the road.

Sara- I have a tendency to tailgate when people piss me off.

Sean- Yeah, exactly, that's all you can do, you can't touch them.

Brian- I have the same kind of feeling, but mine's more geared towards old people. Sean tells me I should respect them 'cause they're older, but I think when they get to the age of 65 or so, they should have to retake their driver's test.

Everyone- Yeah, yeah.

Sara- You want to go back to the marriage question? Or, if you could have sex with any cartoon character, who would it be- that's the back up to the marriage question.

Sean- Azriel. (Everybody laughs.)

Noel- You're still caught up on the Smurfs there.

Sean- I have to go back to 1953 and find someone exactly like my mother and marry her.

Sara- Incest…

Bloody Wanker- Okay, do you have any last words?

(Silence)

Sara- Buy your new CD.

Joel- Don't buy our new CD. Don't buy our stuff. If you see our van, fuckin' slash the tires.

Sean- That would be awesome too.

Everyone- All right.

So that's it, the interview ends, we go out and watch Weston. Brian lets us get a free copy of the Creep Records sampler and we go home happy with free booty (that's booty as in pirate treasure, not that other booty).

Sometimes, Brian wore glasses.

Sometime, Joel sold t-shirts.

Plow United Interview - F.O.E. Fanzine

Here's a wonderful old Plow United interview from back in the day. It was conducted by the legendary Frank Foe for his F.O.E. Fanzine, still chronicalling the ups and downs and downs and downs of the Lehigh Valley hardcore and punk scenes. This interview appeared in issue #29. I got more to come on this front! Watch out!

Plow are a three piece pop-punk band from West Chester that has always had a large fan base in the Lehigh Valley. Make that "Plow United." Seems the band has had a bit of a legal problem with their name. A band from Baltimore, through a series of letters to the band, claimed and proved that they had used the name "Plow" before the West Chester "Plow" began using the name.

The melodic and energetic band has recently had an onslaught of releases and will continue their furious pace throughout 1995. Their split single with fellow West Chester band Tallman has just gone into its second pressing. Their "Dance (Better Than I've Ever Seen)" single has just gone into its third pressing. The band has just released a split single with Bethlehem favorites Weston. All three singles were released on Coolidge Records, which is based in Wyckoff, New Jersey. The band also has three songs on the "Who Gits Da Deer" CD which is an eight band compilation of West Chester bands on Creep Records. The West Chester label will release Plow United's debut, self-titled CD/LP/Cassette in April. Arik Victor, who runs the label, recorded the band in his studio.

As if all these releases weren't enough, Shredder Records of California picked the song "Timmy is an Arsonist" from the band's "Dance" single to be on their "Shreds - Volume 2 American Underground '94" CD. The disc is what Shredder and friends thought were the best songs from singles released in 1994.

The band will also contribute a track to the Descendents tribute CD, to be released on Coolidge Records later this year. Plow United will do the classic Descendents song "Bikeage." Other bands featured on the trubiute will be Black Train Jack, the Bouncing Souls, and the Parasites. Plow is in the final planning stages of setting up a tour of the U.S. that will start in June and end in late July. It will be the band's third and biggest tour.

This interview took place outside the 4G's, on the lot that used to be Wally's, the legendary hard-core punk club in the Lehigh Valley. Plow is Sean on drums, Brian sings and plays guitar, and Joel sings and plays bass.

FOE: What is the meaning of your life.

SEAN: My eternal quest in life is to try to learn how to relax and have a good time, and not just half of the time. It's taken 21 years and I still haven't gotten it right yet.

BRIAN: I still haven't figured it out yet. Maybe I should try and go to school and do something. But I don't know.

FOE: Do you think you'll find meaning in school?

BRIAN: Well, maybe if I can learn something instead of working in a warehouse all day.

JOEL: He works at the Franklin Mint.

BRIAN: I probably won't be able to come back to the Mint after the tour.

FOE: What is your goal in life, Joel?

JOEL: Just to get by without doing anything I don't like to do.

FOE: What is the purpose of Plow? Or what do you hope to get out of it?

JOEL: It fits in with what I said earlier. This is what I like to do, this is what I love to do. So I'd like to get to the point where this is all I have to do. Being in the band, touring, recording.

SEAN: When I said I'm only happy half the time, part of that half is when I'm playing. Oh, yeah! Really happy!

FOE: Is there any time when you're unhappy with the band.

JOEL: The only unhappiness is weeks when we can't practice.

FOE: Because you're busy doing things that you don't want to do.

SEAN: Last weak was exam week. I am a Math Ed major. Someday, down the road I'll start teaching. I'm not ready for that kind of responsibility just quite yet.

JOEL: I'll probably end up going back to college, just cause I can't deal with working shitty jobs anymore. I've had like eleven since last May.

FOE: Yeah, it's better to hate your job sitting behind a desk than moving desks...

SEAN: Well put...

FOE: Who writes the lyrics, and how do you determine which lyrics are keepers and which ones get tossed aside?

JOEL: The whole thing has to do with honesty. If I can't feel it, then it isn't really worth doing anything with.

FOE: Do you think you will still be doing Plow, like when you get to be Ramones aged?

JOEL: I don't think it's really worth thinking about.

BRIAN: As long as they are happy.

JOEL: They might just be stupid at this point. Needless to say that when bands get to the point where they are playing shows for $20 and they don't see anything wrong with that, then it is pointless anyway, and they've lost eveything that we're talking about here. Part of the thing that makes things tougher is that we're always going to do things the way we want to do it. So we end up turning down a lot of stupid shit. Like when we were going in to do the album, we had a couple different labels looking at us, and there was one particular one in New York, that if we had done it with them, I probably wouldn't have to work right now. Brian wouldn't have to work. Sean could just go to school. And we could just work on the album. But it was a cheesy label, and it just meant alot of things that we weren't happy with. We ended up putting the album out with one of our friends. The guy who records us, his label. I'm really adament about that. That's the best way to do anything, like deal with your friends.

FOE: What's up with your upcoming tour?

JOEL: I kinda went nuts booking the last two tours, and since this one was going to be a lot bigger in scope than the others, we got Chris Newmyer to help us out. (Chris is a local guy who sets up shows at the Stage Door and stuff). I wrote him like a nine page letter, detailing what we wanted to do, the numbers we had from the last tour, a proposed itinerary. We'll hed down south in June, go out West, through California, and back through like Chicago. Like a big rectangle. Previously we just did the East Coast, as far out as Nashville. We played like Georgia, Florida. It was this past winter. I really wouldn't recomend touring in the winter.

BRIAN: You have to go really far South to stay warm. Georgia was freezing.

FOE: I fucking hate winter... What are your five favorite albums, in no particular order...

JOEL: Descendents "Milo Goes to College", Bouncing Souls "The Good, the Bad, and the Argyle", All "Allroy's Revenge", Dwarves "Thank Heaven For Little Girls", Pogues "Red Roses For Me."

BRIAN: Stray Cats first album, not the one they did here, the one they did overseas. Screeching Weasel "My Brain Hurts", the Muffs album, and I guess umm the Bouncing Souls album and umm... ah, shit, umm...

JOEL: Nothing against the Dwarves but I have to change my Dwarves one to Screeching Weasel's self-titled debut album.

BRAIN: Alright umm Eddie Cochran, anything by him.

FOE: How do you feel about the mention by Ben Weasel in his column in MRR? (Note: In MRR's February 1995 issue, subtitled - The Selling of a Culture - Ben Weasel States in his column, which was about the industry attempts to pick up the next big thing, "I mean, they read magazines like MRR to find out what's gonna be the next big thing, but they never bother to actually go out and BUY a record to find out if it is indeed good enough to be the next big thing and the stupidest part of all of this is that what's gonna be the next big thing is what THEY DECIDE is gonna be the next big thing (for the record it's gonna be a Ramones-style pop-punk band from Pennsylvania called Plow.")

JOEL: I took it kind of differently than everyone else did. In the context of the article it's kind of implicit that a)the next big thing is kind of negative, and b)the next big thing implies mass media and we all have ethical problems with that. I thought it was kind of condescending on his part. Like he was assuming a lot of things when he doesn't even know us. But, I don't know. Say what you want just spell my name right. I know what we want, and I know how we want to do it, and that is all that really matters.

Brian McGee
Joel Tannenbaum
Sean Rule